Kinky on O'Reilly Factor (April 21)

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O'REILLY: Showdown in Pennsylvania. The polls say Hillary's ahead. We'll have analysis by Rick Santorum, Kiki Friedman and Juan Williams.

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Hi, I'm Bill O'Reilly. Thank you for watching us tonight. The showdown in Pennsylvania, that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo. If Barack Obama does not do well in Pennsylvania tomorrow, he can blame Reverend Jeremiah Wright and weather underground guy William Ayers. His associations with those two anti-American men have raised questions among some voters, especially because we still don't know all that much about Senator Obama. The radical left, of course is, appalled that Wright and Ayers have become an issue that could hurt Senator Obama. Far left zealot David Carr uses media column in "The New York Times" to push his insane view of life, called the questioning of Obama by the ABC guys, "a disgusting spectacle". Carr, a former crack addict, apparently believes that anti-American rhetoric from associates of a presidential candidate is not worthy of discussion.
Another far left media person reporter Lynn Sweet of "The Chicago Sun Times" actually wrote that the extremist past of William Ayers has never bothered anyone in Chicago.
How absurd. Ayers, of course, has implied that he should have planted more bombs to hurt Americans.

Now, all this nutty stuff doesn't help Barack Obama at all. Again, most Americans, including Chicagoans do not approve of Wright and Ayers and want a strong denunciation of them. While it is brutally unfair to suggest that Obama believes the craziness of Wright and Ayers, is fair to ask him about those men.

As far as issues being far more important than this stuff, I believe we have heard from all the candidates on the issues, have we not? Let me give you one example of how dishonest the issue dodge really is.

The most important problem facing the USA right now is oil prices. And none of the candidates can do a thing about them. They say they can, but that's complete bull. The oil cartel is going to charge as much as it can. The Arabs, Chavez, and the others are going to gouge the world and we can't stop them. The American oil companies are not going to build more refineries and the candidates can't make them. Big oil sees the inevitable shift to alternative energy as going for the big dollars right now.

The Democratic party opposes most drilling. Nuclear energy that liberal countries like France and Sweden have and aggressive action to protect foreign oil supplies.

The Republican party pretty much lets big oil do whatever it wants and refuses to reign in corrupt speculators who drive up the price of oil. So the next time you hear politicians say he or she will bring down oil prices, understand it's complete BS. If Americans want lower gas prices, cut back. Sell those SUVs, ride a bike when you can. If everyone one of us bought 10% less gasoline, prices would fall fast.

That's what the candidates should be saying. We need a strong leader who's honest, smart, courageous and willing to explain dubious associations. That's what we need. And that's the memo.

Now for the top story tonight., two other views of the upcoming Pennsylvania vote. Joining from us Austin, Texas, man of the people, Kinky Friedman. From Washington, FOX News analyst Juan Williams.

All right, Juan, where am I going wrong? I know I always go wrong in your eyes. Where am I going wrong here?

JUAN WILLIAMS, NPR NEWS POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, you know, I think you are right. It's not a matter that anyone wants to put all of Ayers' mistakes and talk about he should have done more in bombing and attacking people on Barack Obama. Senator Obama, though, has to explain this relationship, much as he has to explain what's going on with Tony Rezko and of course with Reverend Wright.

And if you look at the polls right now, that's what is driving him down. All of a sudden, Hillary Clinton's numbers are climbing. It looks like they're crossing in the latest Gallup tracking poll. And I got to say that what you're going to see tomorrow in Pennsylvania is a lot of the voters in the suburban areas, outside Philadelphia, the middle of the state going towards Pittsburgh taking a second look at Senator Obama and saying who is this guy because, all of a sudden they're wondering well, is he really comfortable with these people or not?

O'REILLY: OK. So you agree with me, Juan, that this issue...

WILLIAMS: I do.

O'REILLY: ...that the far left thinks is just not worthy of anything, on undecided voters, on working class white voters becomes paramount in their mind, and will sway enough because the Hillary internal polling today shows her up by 11 according to Drudge. And if that's the case, I mean, that would be a huge victory for her and then would turn the whole thing upside down, Kinky. What do you think's going to happen tomorrow?

KINKY FRIEDMAN, COWBOY PHILOSOPHER: Well, I think -- I think Juan and you are correct. I think the pastor and the weather man William are going to be with Barack all the way through November if he's the nominee. And, like I say, you can't get rid of your -- you're stuck with your old friends and acquaintances. I say you can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but you can't wipe your friends off on your saddle. They're going to bring them down.

O'REILLY: Do you think there's wisdom to that? But I have a way, Juan, and I'm not going to say it tonight, that you know, if Barack Obama wants, he can call me, that he could get rid of both of these things. Off his plate.

But you both agree that -- see, here's the deal, and I think everybody should know, the Barack Obama supporters, the key supporters in Pennsylvania and elsewhere, they don't care about Reverend Wright. And they don't care about Ayers and they don't' care about anything. They like him. And they're going to vote for him. And it doesn't --he could be hanging around with Hugo Chavez could be, you know, bunking with him and it wouldn't matter.

WILLIAMS: Yes, right. So what they do is they blame people, anybody who brings it up, suddenly is a bad guy. Why are you bringing up something that in any way cast a negative light on our hero.

O'REILLY: Right, you can't do that. That's not fair.

WILLIAMS: I mean, this is what the moveon.org people do. You know what? They've been driving this thing. You know, they drive a lot of the money. You think about why Obama is doing so well with the money. You think about why Obama's doing so well on the Internet. And a lot of the left has been just driving this campaign to the detriment to of Hillary Clinton, who over the weekend went off, you know, they had this...

O'REILLY: Yes, we're going to play that -- we're going to play the clip right up behind it. So don't ruin it, but Hillary Clinton's mad at move on.

WILLIAMS: OK, I won't ruin it.

O'REILLY: But look, here's the issue. When they say -- well, let's get back to the issues Kinky, 20 debates. I heard what these people have to say. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton on every issue. I got it. Half of it's bull. And I'm not saying this in a partisan way. Half of what McCain says is bull. All right? They're not going to bring down oil prices. They don't know what to heck to do about oil prices. All right? Only we the people can bring them down. And we the people aren't doing it.

Maybe some day, maybe when it gets to $6 bucks a gallon, we'll sell the SUV, but not now. And McCain and Clinton and Hillary can't bring them down. Because the Arabs and Chavez are going blank you, Americans. And the oil companies are going I ain't going to refine. We're not going to refine it because we want to make the money because we're going to be out of business in 10 years. I'm sorry that I went off on that, but I'm so mad about this. Go ahead, Kinky.

FRIEDMAN : Bill, you're right. I mean, I don't have a goat in the arena, you know that. I'm neutral on this thing. But, I just want to say, it all comes down to dinosaur wine, which is oil and gas at the pump. Dinosaur wine prices go to 4 bucks or more this summer, Obama's going to be president. If they go down to $3 and change McCain's going to be president.

O'REILLY: Yes, I'm not so sure about that.

FRIEDMAN: Dinosaur wine, stupid. Not you personally.

O'REILLY: Nobody's -- I -- by the time I get through with this election, everybody's going to know that none of the candidates are going to be able to do this.

FRIEDMAN: No, they can't do it.

O'REILLY: They're not. They can't bring it down.

FRIEDMAN: It's...

O'REILLY: McCain actually has an idea that could offer some relief, Juan, by saying suspending the federal gas tax. Now, if they do that, yes, prices will go down. But you mark my words, those greedy oil companies, they'll step right back in and they'll jam that thing right back up there.

WILLIAMS: That's right. They'll make up for your tax cut.

O'REILLY: You bet. They'll do it in a heart beat.

WILLIAMS: And the only way to do it -- he wants to do it from Memorial Day to Labor Day. And he makes this proposal realizing it's never gotten through the U.S. Senate. He can't do it by himself.

O'REILLY: No.

WILLIAMS: He'd have to get the government. He'd have to get the oil guys who now are in the White House to agree to it. It's not happening. It's a big dodge. It's a big distraction. It's a bait and switch.

O'REILLY: I'm not so sure about that. I think that they're so scared in Washington now they might get it through for the first time. Because there's going -- look, people are really suffering. But again, we the people can influence the gas prices. All right, so Kinky, your prediction again for Pennsylvania?

FRIEDMAN: Double digits. Double digits in Pennsylvania for Hillary.

O'REILLY: And Juan, your prediction is?

WILLIAMS: Yes, she wins. I think she might get 10. And so Kinky might be right. But Bill, let me ask you a quick question. You think that people should stop driving? What about people that have to drive to work? I think...

O'REILLY: Just cut back 10 percent, 10 percent, Juan. Every American can do that.

WILLIAMS: Well...

O'REILLY: And if we all do it, then those prices have to come down. And that's the only way.

WILLIAMS: Well, I think you need to keep up your campaign and say, you know what? These oil companies are exploiting people.

O'REILLY: They don't care what I say, Juan.

WILLIAMS: And it's wrong. Their profits are out of this world.

O'REILLY: Juan, they don't care what I say. They just want to make money. That's all they want. So the only way we punish them...

WILLIAMS: Greed, greed, greed.

O'REILLY: The only way we punish them is not buy their stuff and cut back. That's it. Kinky, Juan, thanks so much.
Next on the rundown, Hillary, as we said, blasts moveon.org. We'll play the sound bite for you.
And later, did Senator Obama give Senator Clinton the fickle finger of faith? Body language on the case, upcoming.

O'REILLY: Continuing now with our lead story, the vote in Pennsylvania tomorrow. It seems Hillary Clinton may have finally figured out that the far left is not her friend. Speaking at a private fundraiser, the senator blasted the radical moveon organization.

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HILLARY CLINTON (D), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: MoveOn.org didn't even want us to go into Afghanistan. I mean, that's what we're dealing with. And they turn out in great numbers...I don't agree with them. They know I don't agree with them. So they flood into these caucuses and dominate them and really intimidate people who actually show up to support me.

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O'REILLY: We told Mrs. Clinton that last summer. And I'm glad she finally now believes me.

Joining us now to analyze Pennsylvania and Senator Clinton's comments, Democratic strategist Jane Fleming Kleeb in Lincoln, Nebraska and from Washington, former Pennsylvania Senator, now FOX News analyst Rick Santorum.
Senator, I understand that the Clinton campaign is spreading around street money in Pennsylvania. What exactly is street money?

RICK SANTORUM (R), FMR. PENNSYLVANIA SENATOR: Well, having run in Pennsylvania several times, one of the things you've got to do if you're going to get out the vote particularly in the major cities, and particularly Philadelphia, is to get money to ward leaders, to get money to community leaders who have whole bands of volunteers who are used to going out there on election day and turning out the vote and, let's say, discouraging people from voting on occasion.

O'REILLY: OK, but it sounds ominous. Street money. Is that a bribe? Or is it legitimate expense money? Or what exactly is it?

SANTORUM: Yes. It can be legitimate expense money of a campaign that's accounted for. It can be money from unions. It can be money from 527s. It can be money from all sorts of places, accountable and unaccountable money. And it is used to get people who make a very good living in Philadelphia in particular and Pittsburgh...

O'REILLY: All right, so you...

SANTORUM: ...and some of the other major cities.

O'REILLY: ...you pay people to go and pound on doors and make sure people are voting. Is that what you're paying for?

SANTORUM: It's a lot more sophisticated than that. I mean, it's van polls. It's sophisticated Blackberries. I mean, it's a very sophisticated organization that a lot of the...

O'REILLY: Are you paying people to go and actually vote? You're giving people money to go to vote?

SANTORUM: We don't ask that question. We just put the money in the hands of people whose job it is to make sure that they get out the vote.

O'REILLY: Wow. All right, so I want this get this straight. I want to get this straight. It's a fascinating thing. So you say that there's big street money being distributed in Pennsylvania on the part the Clinton campaign?

SANTORUM: Absolutely.

O'REILLY: But not -- Obama's not doing that?

SANTORUM: That's sort of the running joke in Philadelphia right now is particularly in the African-American community where it was expected that he would, as a black candidate, come in with a huge amount of money to turn out the vote in that area, he has provided, according to every source I've talked to, not one dollar.

O'REILLY: Really?

SANTORUM: And it's actually -- it's a little bit of a running joke in Philadelphia. That could come back and burn him. I mean, there are a lot of leaders in that community, you know, who are Democratic operatives. And maybe they'd like to see a black president, but they also, you know, have organizations that need to be fed. And Hillary's feeding those organizations.

O'REILLY: Yes, they can take money from Hillary and vote for whoever they want. Nobody knows.

SANTORUM: That has been known to happen in the city of Philadelphia.

O'REILLY: I think so. What do you think about that, Jane?

JANE FLEMING KLEEB, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, you know, I've run some youth field programs in Pennsylvania. And so I know exactly what Senator Santorum is talking about.
But it also -- it's just the reality of field programs because you are dealing with such a short time. You pay cash for canvas. You pay cash for pizza. And so a lot of these are very reasonable and expected expenses.

Now I know that there's always some rumors and always this talk about how church leaders or other people get money from candidates in order to get votes. I don't think that that that's true. But it is true that there's lots of street money that happens the week before the election.
O'REILLY: So just summing up, Hillary Clinton's spreading the street money around, but Barack Obama isn't. That's interesting.

KLEEB: Barack Obama doesn't necessarily need to if he's getting 35,000 people at the -- you know, his speeches.

O'REILLY: Maybe. But he's 10 points behind in all the polls, Jane.

KLEEB: He is.

O'REILLY: What do you think's going to happen tomorrow?

KLEEB: You know, I think what's going to happen is that you'll see a lot more young people showing up at the polls unexpected. And so, I think you'll see similar numbers to what we saw in Texas to be perfectly honest.

O'REILLY: All right. So that means that she wins by 5 or 6 points?

KLEEB: I do think that she'll probably win by 5 or 6 points. I don't think she's going to win by these double digits like people are expecting. But you know, I know Drudge has that up there. And he often has some good information. But I do think it was a mistake for Hillary to bash moveon.org. I think she has a short political memory. The organization was founded to take political heat off of her husband. And now she's kind of backlashing because...

O'REILLY: But they have another favorite now. They don't like her anymore. And...

KLEEB: Well, you know, 30 percent of their members...

O'REILLY: Look, George Soros is pulling the strings on that. And he wants the furthest left wing candidate you can get. Not to say Obama is that, I'm not sure about that yet, but he's certainly perceived to be that.
Senator, what do you think's going to happen tomorrow in Pennsylvania?

SANTORUM: I think the state is just made for Hillary Clinton. It's a state that's older, it's blue collar. You know, the seniors will come out and vote. Historically, in Pennsylvania, and just like every other state young people have not turned out. Maybe Obama has...

KLEEB: That's not true, Senator Santorum.

SANTORUM: Has a magic wand. I'm talking about in Pennsylvania.

KLEEB: Nope, nope.

SANTORUM: I'm talking about in Pennsylvania.

O'REILLY: Jane, Jane, let the senator finish and...

KLEEB: OK, but he's incorrect about that.

O'REILLY: All right, go ahead, senator.

SANTORUM: Well, I'm just saying historically, young people in primaries have not turned out to vote. Now they have in general elections. I think that's the point Jane wanted to make.

But in primaries, Pennsylvania is not used to this. This is a very new thing for us to have this kind of attention in a Pennsylvania primary for president. And maybe he's able to motivate these young kids to do what they do in general elections, but that has not been proven...

O'REILLY: So you say double digits, senator?

SANTORUM: I do think she'll win. I've been saying it all along. I mean, this state -- in spite of the fact she's being outspent, this state is going to come home for Hillary. And I think it's going to be a 10 point or more win.

O'REILLY: All right. It'll be interesting to see if that happens. Whoa. Jane, senator thank you very much. And we would like you to vote in our billoreilly.com poll. We're asking to you evaluate our coverage of Barack Obama so far. Has it been too easy, fair, or too hard? You select one. And we'd like to know what you think. You can go to billoreilly.com and vote on that entertainment poll.
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